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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by jonesy</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator>jonesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3635&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mike Smit &lt;/a&gt; 
I don&#039;t actually know if the JB had access to previous decisions.  If they did, it makes their departure from precedent very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3635" rel="nofollow">@Mike Smit </a><br />
I don&#8217;t actually know if the JB had access to previous decisions.  If they did, it makes their departure from precedent very odd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by Mike Smit</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3635</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Smit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the methods employed, the J.B. has ruled they played within bounds, even if only by the skin of their teeth.  Due process has been followed.  

In effect, four people were declared victors and had that taken from them, but only two don&#039;t get the satisfaction of actually holding office for the next year.  My condolences to Sarah and Richard.  

I was originally somewhat concerned about some of the precedents set in this decision, but since this JB disregarded a number of precedents set by previous J.B.s, I think the only reasonable conclusion is that there is no such thing as precedent when it comes to the Judicial Board.

If there really is or should be concern about these executives, a petition signed by about 1,400 people should be sufficient to recall either of them.  Again, due process etc.

@NC, in fairness all of the executive candidates were white, but I too was surprised to see that the student body didn&#039;t elect a single one of the women who were on the ballot.  That is unprecedented in my experience.

I as usual agree with John Doucette on all counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the methods employed, the J.B. has ruled they played within bounds, even if only by the skin of their teeth.  Due process has been followed.  </p>
<p>In effect, four people were declared victors and had that taken from them, but only two don&#8217;t get the satisfaction of actually holding office for the next year.  My condolences to Sarah and Richard.  </p>
<p>I was originally somewhat concerned about some of the precedents set in this decision, but since this JB disregarded a number of precedents set by previous J.B.s, I think the only reasonable conclusion is that there is no such thing as precedent when it comes to the Judicial Board.</p>
<p>If there really is or should be concern about these executives, a petition signed by about 1,400 people should be sufficient to recall either of them.  Again, due process etc.</p>
<p>@NC, in fairness all of the executive candidates were white, but I too was surprised to see that the student body didn&#8217;t elect a single one of the women who were on the ballot.  That is unprecedented in my experience.</p>
<p>I as usual agree with John Doucette on all counts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by NC</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3631</link>
		<dc:creator>NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to take a moment to defend the beaded and Birkenstock-wearing among us...

Not all hippies supported Jamie and Aaron and some of us thought their DQs were justified. I am both surprised and disappointed that they were overturned and am concerned about what next year&#039;s DSU will look like. 

And since I have defined myself as a hippie already, I would like to say how disappointed I am that next year&#039;s executive is entirely made up of white males. Diversity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to take a moment to defend the beaded and Birkenstock-wearing among us&#8230;</p>
<p>Not all hippies supported Jamie and Aaron and some of us thought their DQs were justified. I am both surprised and disappointed that they were overturned and am concerned about what next year&#8217;s DSU will look like. </p>
<p>And since I have defined myself as a hippie already, I would like to say how disappointed I am that next year&#8217;s executive is entirely made up of white males. Diversity!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by John Doucette</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3623</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doucette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 03:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, why would this be discussed at an executive meeting? Authorizing the DSU to literally give away the rights to a video they paid to produce seems like the kind of &lt;i&gt;expenditure&lt;/i&gt; that requires council approval...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, why would this be discussed at an executive meeting? Authorizing the DSU to literally give away the rights to a video they paid to produce seems like the kind of <i>expenditure</i> that requires council approval&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by John Doucette</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3622</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doucette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 03:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ If what Sarah says is true, doesn&#039;t this mean:

1): Mr. Price mislead the judicial board (presumably he was aware of the secretary at these meetings)
2): The judicial board&#039;s findings are based on potentially incorrect evidence (if the meeting minutes disagree with the testimony).

No idea what the impact of that would be. Also worth noting: As usual, none of the meeting minutes in question are to be seen on the DSU&#039;s new $30,000 website that was supposed to fix &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; problem. Dare I say &quot;I told you so...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ If what Sarah says is true, doesn&#8217;t this mean:</p>
<p>1): Mr. Price mislead the judicial board (presumably he was aware of the secretary at these meetings)<br />
2): The judicial board&#8217;s findings are based on potentially incorrect evidence (if the meeting minutes disagree with the testimony).</p>
<p>No idea what the impact of that would be. Also worth noting: As usual, none of the meeting minutes in question are to be seen on the DSU&#8217;s new $30,000 website that was supposed to fix <i>that</i> problem. Dare I say &#8220;I told you so&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by sarah</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3613</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of December 5th (if not earlier) the DSU Executive definitely kept minutes. 

I began chairing the Executive meetings at this time and there are agendas and minutes for each meeting on record.

It would be helpful if people who chose to speak on the Executive behalf represented us truthfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of December 5th (if not earlier) the DSU Executive definitely kept minutes. </p>
<p>I began chairing the Executive meetings at this time and there are agendas and minutes for each meeting on record.</p>
<p>It would be helpful if people who chose to speak on the Executive behalf represented us truthfully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by John Doucette</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3612</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doucette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Point 31 boggles the mind:

The Judicial Board’s task in determining the DSU’s policy regarding artistic works
created in conjunction with students is rendered incredibly difficult due to the DSU Executive’s
questionable practice of not keeping written minutes of meetings. Mr. Price informed the
Judicial Board that, &lt;b&gt;up to February 2012, the DSU Executive did not keep written minutes of its
meetings.&lt;/b&gt; This practice unfortunately displays a lack of transparency that renders holding the
DSU Executive accountable for its decisions incredibly difficult, leaving the entirety of the
matter to the word and good faith of those who were present at the meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Point 31 boggles the mind:</p>
<p>The Judicial Board’s task in determining the DSU’s policy regarding artistic works<br />
created in conjunction with students is rendered incredibly difficult due to the DSU Executive’s<br />
questionable practice of not keeping written minutes of meetings. Mr. Price informed the<br />
Judicial Board that, <b>up to February 2012, the DSU Executive did not keep written minutes of its<br />
meetings.</b> This practice unfortunately displays a lack of transparency that renders holding the<br />
DSU Executive accountable for its decisions incredibly difficult, leaving the entirety of the<br />
matter to the word and good faith of those who were present at the meeting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by Faye</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3606</link>
		<dc:creator>Faye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Jamie and Aaron! Looking forward to seeing some positive change next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Jamie and Aaron! Looking forward to seeing some positive change next year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by HK</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3605</link>
		<dc:creator>HK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wonderful message to students:
3 out of the 4 elected students were the only people in their race to violate elections policy/rules. There is no reward for following the rules and trying to run a clean campaign. Clearly, the best way to win an election to receive the maximum amount of fines because then you will be leveraging your maximum advantage over the other contenders. 

So for all of you hipsters/hippies/whatever that were yammering about the disqualifications being an affront of democracy? Well your candidates did exactly that; and embodied the exact behaviours that I&#039;m sure you also hold against the Conservatives and Republicans -- corruption, disregard for the rules, disrepect, and self-indulgence. I, for one, am glad that I&#039;m graduating because I think it&#039;s a disgrace to have such corrupt elected officials who had no regard/respect for the other candidates in their races, nor for the students who they are supposed to be now representing. Way to sign up for a year of deceit, rule dodging, and ignorance. I wish you all the best. (you&#039;re going to need it)

And for those of you who feel the same as me and will still be here next year -- don&#039;t let them get away with it -- you don&#039;t have to be represented that way if you don&#039;t want to. Be a Councillor, a Board of Operations member, a committee member; put pressure, demand results, and ask questions. Just because the candidates you voted for didn&#039;t win, doesn&#039;t mean that you don&#039;t deserve better. They owe you just as much as the people who supported them and don&#039;t let them forget that. The DSU belongs to the students; the DSU is the students -- take ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderful message to students:<br />
3 out of the 4 elected students were the only people in their race to violate elections policy/rules. There is no reward for following the rules and trying to run a clean campaign. Clearly, the best way to win an election to receive the maximum amount of fines because then you will be leveraging your maximum advantage over the other contenders. </p>
<p>So for all of you hipsters/hippies/whatever that were yammering about the disqualifications being an affront of democracy? Well your candidates did exactly that; and embodied the exact behaviours that I&#8217;m sure you also hold against the Conservatives and Republicans &#8212; corruption, disregard for the rules, disrepect, and self-indulgence. I, for one, am glad that I&#8217;m graduating because I think it&#8217;s a disgrace to have such corrupt elected officials who had no regard/respect for the other candidates in their races, nor for the students who they are supposed to be now representing. Way to sign up for a year of deceit, rule dodging, and ignorance. I wish you all the best. (you&#8217;re going to need it)</p>
<p>And for those of you who feel the same as me and will still be here next year &#8212; don&#8217;t let them get away with it &#8212; you don&#8217;t have to be represented that way if you don&#8217;t want to. Be a Councillor, a Board of Operations member, a committee member; put pressure, demand results, and ask questions. Just because the candidates you voted for didn&#8217;t win, doesn&#8217;t mean that you don&#8217;t deserve better. They owe you just as much as the people who supported them and don&#8217;t let them forget that. The DSU belongs to the students; the DSU is the students &#8212; take ownership.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by BS</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3602</link>
		<dc:creator>BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck! Goodbye dsu productivity! Let&#039;s tear down the sub and replace it with a fucking yurt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck! Goodbye dsu productivity! Let&#8217;s tear down the sub and replace it with a fucking yurt</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by Tom</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3592</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK, just when I though we got rid of the Hippies forever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK, just when I though we got rid of the Hippies forever</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judicial Board Decision by JP</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/judicial-board-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fucking hell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fucking hell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on JB Hearing March 19 by Henry</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/jb-hearing-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-3579</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any updates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any updates?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Appeals Denied. by Mike Smit</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/breaking-rumour-appeals-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-3568</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Smit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(That&#039;s not to say that you&#039;re not right as a general rule; by and large, given the same information, the same people will make the same decision.  Certainly my anecdotal evidence does not disprove this general rule, but I do think the E.C. is a special case.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(That&#8217;s not to say that you&#8217;re not right as a general rule; by and large, given the same information, the same people will make the same decision.  Certainly my anecdotal evidence does not disprove this general rule, but I do think the E.C. is a special case.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Appeals Denied. by Mike Smit</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/breaking-rumour-appeals-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-3567</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Smit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-3556&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Henry&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not often a board that levies fines is going to overturn them...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the provision requiring that appeals be first made to the E.C. was in response to the last time an appeal was made to the J.B., where the E.C. explicitly said they would have overturned their own decision in light of new information, if there was any procedure for doing so.   They also implied that if they had the ability to revisit one of the other charges, they might have reduced the fees.  The Constitution was modified to give the E.C. a chance to re-examine the information, a faster and less formal process to revisit their decisions in light of any new information.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-3556" rel="nofollow">Henry</a> :</strong></p>
<p>Not often a board that levies fines is going to overturn them&#8230;</p>
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<p>Actually, the provision requiring that appeals be first made to the E.C. was in response to the last time an appeal was made to the J.B., where the E.C. explicitly said they would have overturned their own decision in light of new information, if there was any procedure for doing so.   They also implied that if they had the ability to revisit one of the other charges, they might have reduced the fees.  The Constitution was modified to give the E.C. a chance to re-examine the information, a faster and less formal process to revisit their decisions in light of any new information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Appeals Denied. by the pundits</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/breaking-rumour-appeals-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-3558</link>
		<dc:creator>the pundits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like smear campaigns are all the rage this season.  Or is it *alleging* smear campaigns?

http://thechronicleherald.ca/front/68730-robocall-claim-smear-campaign-harper-asserts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like smear campaigns are all the rage this season.  Or is it *alleging* smear campaigns?</p>
<p><a href="http://thechronicleherald.ca/front/68730-robocall-claim-smear-campaign-harper-asserts" rel="nofollow">http://thechronicleherald.ca/front/68730-robocall-claim-smear-campaign-harper-asserts</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Appeals Denied. by Henry</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/03/breaking-rumour-appeals-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-3556</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not a surprise here.

Not often a board that levies fines is going to overturn them, IF this is true then the JB is going to have some fun on their hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not a surprise here.</p>
<p>Not often a board that levies fines is going to overturn them, IF this is true then the JB is going to have some fun on their hands.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DSU Elections committee statement on disqualifications by Karl Dempsey</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/02/dsu-elections-committee-statement-on-disqualifications/comment-page-1/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3494&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Evan Price &lt;/a&gt; 
Yes, I agree Evan and sorry I did not get back sooner. It was a clean election in which we both went head to head against each other. But remembering in the end of the day it was not about winning or losing. Holding ones values is more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3494" rel="nofollow">@Evan Price </a><br />
Yes, I agree Evan and sorry I did not get back sooner. It was a clean election in which we both went head to head against each other. But remembering in the end of the day it was not about winning or losing. Holding ones values is more important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on appeals filed; &#8220;smear campaign&#8221; alleged by Henry</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/02/appeals-filed-smear-campaign-alleged/comment-page-1/#comment-3551</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3546&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mike Smit &lt;/a&gt; 
&quot;- Is it permitted because it was done with the blessing of Risley Council?
Res Councils have pretty broad latitude within the residences. Though certainly the Pepsi marketing situation would not be allowed with or without their blessing, the DSU candidate situation is arguably different. Their endorsement might get him out of the solicitation charge.&quot;

Yes.

Residence Council&#039;s DO NOT have the right to bring whoever they want into their buildings, it comes down to Residence Life and the RLM of each building. I WOULD however hazard a guess, knowing the council at Risley, that they would have talked to their RLM and that she would be very aware of this going on at the Residence prior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3546" rel="nofollow">@Mike Smit </a><br />
&#8220;- Is it permitted because it was done with the blessing of Risley Council?<br />
Res Councils have pretty broad latitude within the residences. Though certainly the Pepsi marketing situation would not be allowed with or without their blessing, the DSU candidate situation is arguably different. Their endorsement might get him out of the solicitation charge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Residence Council&#8217;s DO NOT have the right to bring whoever they want into their buildings, it comes down to Residence Life and the RLM of each building. I WOULD however hazard a guess, knowing the council at Risley, that they would have talked to their RLM and that she would be very aware of this going on at the Residence prior.</p>
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		<title>Comment on appeals filed; &#8220;smear campaign&#8221; alleged by estrin</title>
		<link>http://punditry.ca/2012/02/appeals-filed-smear-campaign-alleged/comment-page-1/#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>estrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone asking about chalk on the sidewalk/walls. I have no idea what the walls are referring to. What I do is that chalk on Beale&#039;s part, was left on the sidewalk outside of the CS building and was still clearly visible. Although I don&#039;t know if it was removed, they could be referring to the chalk that was put up on the columns of the Mona Campbell building. I don&#039;t know if that was left there though because I didn&#039;t see it. 
I didn&#039;t report any of that though, and I have no idea who did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asking about chalk on the sidewalk/walls. I have no idea what the walls are referring to. What I do is that chalk on Beale&#8217;s part, was left on the sidewalk outside of the CS building and was still clearly visible. Although I don&#8217;t know if it was removed, they could be referring to the chalk that was put up on the columns of the Mona Campbell building. I don&#8217;t know if that was left there though because I didn&#8217;t see it.<br />
I didn&#8217;t report any of that though, and I have no idea who did.</p>
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