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Liveblogging the AGM…

March 11th, 2009

6:30:  I arrive at the second floor of the SUB.  I haven’t seen this many students since the War in Iraq motion of ’03.  It’s going to take a long time to get all of these people verified as Dal students.

6:50:  I’m in, but not after getting stuck in the middle of a scuffle btwn. Dal Security and a guy who  “works for NSPIRG” (his words, not mine).

7:00:  I’m sitting in the back with the bad kids.  Next to VP I Candidate Craig Jennex and CRO Sarah Amyotte.  I also made a new friend, Greg A. (not Deborgorski).  He is fascinated by the craziness of tonight.

7:14:  Mat Brechtel starts the meeting.  I hope he stretched well beforehand.

7:20:  Motion to amend the agenda to add a motion re: letting in the non-Dal students who are staging a sit-in outside to be inside.

7:29:  Motion fails.  I can’t remember the number for and against.  I recorded my vote for.  I say we should talk about it.

7:30:  Motion by the VP Finance to strike the contract motion and the CASA motion from the agenda.

7:36:  Challenge to the chair!  Note:  We haven’t even accepted the agenda yet.  Mat is currently explaining what this means.  Better you than me, friend.

7:42:  Tara Gault is here!

7:43:  I am absolutely lost on this.  I have no idea what’s going on anymore.  I am going to run out and get a paper copy of the Constitution.  I can’t scroll through my electronic copy fast enough.

7:47:  The offices are locked.  I don’t have a paper copy as a result.  In other news, the cops are here.  There’s a girl here who isn’t a Dal student who won’t leave.  Apparently she works for the Gazette (according to the guy who was just yelling at the cop).  Greg A. continues to be fascinated.

7:51:  We’re voting on the challenge to the chair.   It just passed, that means that the aforementioned motions will be struck from the agenda.

8:01: We’re moving on a vote to the second challenge to the chair.  If you vote yes, the girl from the Gazette gets to stay.  If you vote no, she goes.  Very clear, Mat (I really hope someone is buying him several beers after this).

8:03: Someone just proposed the cops be ejected.  Greg Deborgorski just likened this meeting to Nazism.  He apologized.  Mat Brechtel ignored the cop outburst.

8:03:  Motion to challenge the chair fails.

8:03:  This must be what it’s like to go to York.

8:05:  New motion to add a motion to the agenda.  Motion about quorum at the meetings.  BIRT:  If the meeting is adjourned, council will hold a subsequent General meeting to discuss the other issues within 3 weeks.  To be clear, this is a motion to simply add this motion to the agenda.

8:09:  Motion passes.  There are now 5 cops here.  Greg A. says “The jails in Dartmouth must be unguarded.”

8:10:  Motion to add the newest motion that we just passed to the top of the agenda after business of the executive.

8:11:  Motion passes.

8:12:  Motion to add a motion.  Daniel Pink moves that NSPIRG makes an official apology by April 1 for being general jerks , they should stop funding their non-student staff and they should vacate the SUB (Daniel is much more eloquent than I).

8:12:  The Gazette girl and Greg Debogorski have just been removed from the room by the police.

8:15:  A NSPIRG member just rose on a point of personal privilege (that wasn’t).  NSPIRG doesn’t organize Lockheed Martin protests, they just have a “working group” that facilitates “critical thinking.”

8:17:  Discussions re: whether or not to put Dan Pink’s motion on the agenda.  Point well taken that this is a motion that greatly affects students and thus should have been moved 2 weeks ago.

8:18:  I’m not going to lie.  I feel really bad for Mat Brechtel.

8:18:  Greg A. says that this is like “chocolate cake on a Sunday morning.”  I agree.

8:22:  I just had an outburst.  One of the NSPIRG people just said that the NSPIRG levy was between students and NSPIRG and had “nothing to do with the DSU.”  I yelled “What?!  Are you out of your mind?!”  It takes quite a lot for me to yell out of turn (ask my grade 3 teacher).  These people are cray cray.

8:24:  We are voting on whether or not to add the Dan Pink motion to the agenda.  I’m not a mathmagician (typo, it’s staying), but this motion is getting on the agenda.

8:28:  Oh, I forgot about the 2/3 part.  Mat is recounting.

8:28:  Sarah Amyotte just levied her first fine against Debo for the Nazism comment.

8:31:  Motion to add the Dan Pink motion to the agenda fails.  VP FO Mat Golding moves for a ballot vote.

8:34:  Challenge to the chair re: allowing the ballot vote.  His challenge starts with “I want to tell you a story…”  It’s a parable about a butterfly…I can’t re-phrase it.

8:36:  We’re moving to a vote as to whether or not we should have a ballot vote.

8:43:  We’re having a ballot vote.  There was a lot of confusion as to how we would go about that.  I went and got logoed paper for us to vote on.  There is a rep from each side (we’re taking their word for it) who will work as scrutineers.  This is officially a gong show.

8:47:  I would like to be in the mind of one of these people…how do you be so contrary about everything?  It’s painful, really.

8:49:  Mat is very patiently trying to make this ballot vote happen.  I kind of felt badly for suggesting to Mat how we might do it.

9:09:  We are having a ballot vote now on whether or not to add the Dan Pink motion onto the agenda.  Mat is currently explaining everything to us.  This needs a 2/3 majority to pass.

9:17:  Just to be clear, we haven’t even accepted the agenda yet.

9:20:  We’re now voting on whether to extend the meeting until the building closes.  We’re kinda sorta close to the 3 hour mark.

9:24:  The meeting has now been extended to 10:45.

9:26:  Shout out to John Hurley for bringing Starbuck sustenance.   Also a shout out to Murray for coming down to join in on the action…liveblogging brings all the boys to the yard.

9:36:  Mat is speaking.  Everyone listen.

9:36:  I think I just had a conniption fit in my mind.  There were 8 more ballots counted than handed out.  This made a difference to the 2/3 majority.  We get to have a ballot vote again.  I’m not joking at all.

9:38:  Fred Perron-Welch “Point of Information:  How did you guys fuck this up?”  Mat says we are very close to the end of decorum.  I think we passed that point a long time ago.

9:42:  Just a reminder.  We haven’t actually passed the agenda yet.

<<9:45: punditry.ca goes down>>

10:11: Punditry.ca just crashed. I have continued on a Word document and will post it later.

10:13: 116 to 56. 67% The motion passes. Now someone is complaining about how close it was. Apparently this doesn’t work out mathematically. Mat has ruled the motion passes.

10:15: Motion to move the business of the executive to the end of the agenda. It has been seconded. Mark Coffin says that the business of the executive is actually very relevant to the new business at hand.

10:17: There was a friendly amendment to just move the motion about having another general meeting w/in the next three weeks to deal with unresolved issues. Passes unanimously.

10:18: Motion to APPROVE THE AGENDA!!!!!!!

10:19: It passes!!! We now have to debate the motion about whether or not we should have a meeting three weeks hence re: unresolved issues.

10:19: Courtney just asked whether or not this motion violates the constitution. It doesn’t. However, because of the wording of the by-laws, coupled with the wording of the motion, we must have the meeting on April 1st and only April 1st. Trust me on this one, I couldn’t make it up if I tried.

10:20: I am sitting in the midst of a Mat Brechtel fan club. He is very pretty, apparently.

10:24: Motion passes. We are having a new meeting on April 1st. We now move onto business of the executive.

10:26: Courtney has started her report.

10:27: Greg A. “Serving students since 1966, eh?” John Hurley “Oh, I thought that’s when the meeting started.” Zing!

10:35: We’re back up and live!

10:38:  Dan just started his report.  There’s a powerpoint presentation.  Someone just cackled rudely when Dan mentioned he wanted to help societies transition into the next year.

10:40:  Why is this writing so small?  I really shouldn’t be the one trusted with the interwebs.

10:45: The meeting is ending…now.  Dan is speeding up so that he might finish before the deadline.  Impressive.

10:45:  Annnd, we’re done.  Thanks to all of you for sticking with me through all of this (two crashes, I’m impressed).  A special shout out to Greg A. for putting up with my snarky comments for the entirety of the meeting, and to John and Murray for providing some much needed mid-AGM hilarity.  See you all on April 1st (of course I’ll be there, it’s not like I have a degree to finish or anything…)


  1. swetton
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:27 | #1

    the reason why we need corporate sponsors to fund our programs: they know exactly what we need:

    http://i43.tinypic.com/ali1cz.jpg

  2. Chris Saulnier
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:30 | #2

    I enjoy how we’re 3 hours into this meeting – and if it were to end now we would have actually accomplished nothing. I predict that we will not get to approve the constitutional amendments because of this crazyness. Mat – I owe you a beer for running this.

  3. M
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:31 | #3

    CRO made the right call. Your comments were completely out of line. Where is the “riduclousnous” you are referring to?

  4. swetton
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:32 | #4

    @Mike Smit

    I will be sure to tell all my friends to scroll down through the plethora of ridiculousness and click on an ad. Someone’s got to pay the hosting bill, and it should be those contributing to the madness.

  5. Revolutionary Coward
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:33 | #5

    Go get ‘em Debo! Lead the charge!

    I’ll, uh, I’ll be right behind you.

  6. jonesy
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:35 | #6

    This has made amazing dinner reading!! Poor Dreamy Eyes though.

  7. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:42 | #7

    @Mike Tipping
    I’d offer to go back, see if you can get the Union to pay for your expenses, and take a nice long weekend in Halifax… then come down with strep throat rendering you unable to verbalize an apology and perhaps a fever making any written attempts become an apology for not forcing NSPIRG from the building when you could…

  8. Revolutionary Coward
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:43 | #8

    @Fred Perron-Welch

    If I could vote, you’d get it just for that.

  9. Revolutionary Coward
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:44 | #9

    @Ann Elizabeth Beringer

    Seriously. Everybody complaining about NSPIRG now, where the hell were you 2 years ago?

  10. Chris Parsons
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:45 | #10

    “9:36: I think I just had a coniption fit in my mind. There were 8 more ballots counted than handed out. This made a difference to the 2/3 majority. We get to have a ballot vote again. I’m not joking at all.”

    hahahahhahahahahahahaha.
    hahahaha.

  11. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:46 | #11

    @Revolutionary Coward
    Seriously.

    Feels good to be a trendsetter I guess…

  12. Scott Blake
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:46 | #12

    @swetton

    So swetton… This AGm seems like fun and all but when are the engineers going to introduce their motion?

  13. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:47 | #13

    @Chris Parsons
    Shit like this is the reason I did away with paper ballots as the CRO. I wonder if we could just get ivoteonline.com up and running in time for the end of the AGM…

  14. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:48 | #14

    @Scott Blake
    I would assume when the balloting is over, after the agenda is accepted but not before the meeting ends due to time constraints.

  15. JP
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:52 | #15

    @Chris Parsons

    How did this happen?!?! Wasn’t it DSU-logo’ed paper????!!

  16. swetton
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:53 | #16

    @Scott Blake

    You mean the one to build a 2 story addition to the Troom with a patio, or the one to declare sexton campus as “The Main Campus”…

  17. Scott Blake
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:53 | #17

    @Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    Well I hope they came with their flags, hard hats and somehow managed to organize engibeering in council chambers while they wait…

  18. Revolutionary Coward
    March 11th, 2009 at 20:53 | #18

    @JP

    Presumably it wasn’t cut/torn evenly and nobody noticed the suspiciously small ballots…

  19. Chris Saulnier
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:28 | #19

    @Revolutionary Coward

    It was full pieces of paper (about 3 inches by 3 inches) from what I gathered was a religious organization. In this way tears would have been very obvious so that could not have been what happened. They just messed up the count.

  20. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:36 | #20

    I feel like I just lived through Hurricane Juan again. Every form of messaging I have has been filled with anecdotes describing what people were doing when the site went down and how they got information in lieu of it and offers for assistance and information.

    I SURVIVED THE CRASH OF PUNDITRY.CA ’09!

  21. Scott Blake
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:38 | #21

    @Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    Great Idea Ann!

    I SURVIVED THE CRASH OF PUNDITRY.CA ‘09! T-Shirts to help promote/host the site! I would buy one…

  22. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:38 | #22

    @Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    Please note: The phrase “I SURVIVED THE CRASH OF PUNDITRY.CA ‘09!” is now copyrighted. I will be making t-shirts and bumper stickers shortly and will be selling them on out sister-site shitnooneneeds.ca soon.

  23. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:39 | #23

    @Scott Blake
    GET OUT OF MY MIND!

  24. Scott Blake
    March 11th, 2009 at 21:39 | #24

    mwhahahah

  25. March 11th, 2009 at 22:04 | #25

    … and we’re back.

  26. swetton
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:06 | #26

    @Mike Smit

    For Mr. Blake:

    http:// i41.tinypic.com/34oat05.jpg

  27. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:07 | #27

    “10:20: I am sitting in the midst of a Mat Brechtel fan club. He is very pretty, apparently.”

    Can someone post a picture of this hero?

  28. Scott Blake
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:09 | #28

    Courtesy of Mr. Wetton http://i41.tinypic.com/34oat05.jpg great I SURVIVED THE CRASH OF PUNDITRY.CA ‘09! T-Shirts!

  29. jonesy
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:11 | #29

    And where do I buy this t-shirt? Having survived two crashes…

  30. Ezra
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:13 | #30

    Congrats to Jen on saving the day with the “special” paper for the secret ballots. This meeting was the craziest I have ever seen in my 173 years on council. Even crazier then the AGM where we debated the Iraq war motion.

  31. JP
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:13 | #31

    @Ann Elizabeth Beringer

    I WANT A T-SHIRT!!!

    I wish I had been at that meeting. I called one of my friends who was there and asked her if she had a laptop, and if she could put me on webcam on MSN so that I could see/hear everything that was happening. I was only half-joking.

    AEB, are you still up for a trip out there for the April 1 sequel? (Again… only half-joking… heh)

  32. March 11th, 2009 at 22:16 | #32

    @Ezra

    Weren’t you in favor of the Iraq war motion? :P

  33. Ezra
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:21 | #33

    @Mike Smit
    Of course I was.

  34. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:22 | #34

    @JP
    We could probably board a flight leaving from Alberta around 4:30pm AST on April 1, 2009 and still arrive before the end of AGM Part II: 2Slow2Furious. But hey, I’ve got my Dal ID and there will (hopefully) be pizza so I’m game.

    Shirts can be purchased by sending cash, cheque or money order to:
    Capital Fund for Sciences, Fun and The DSU
    c/o The Campaign to End NSPIRG
    6136 University Avenue
    Halifax, NS B3H 4J2

  35. Henry whitfield
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:26 | #35

    Heh, ill buy tshirts, can we have some that say on the back “I survived part 2 as well”

  36. Roused Rabble
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:30 | #36

    @Henry whitfield

    Shirts for round 2 will be black and come with a garbage can lid shield and a free paint balloon.

    Remember kids, only you can Stop Atlantica.

  37. jonesy
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:40 | #37

    Anything to end NSPIRG. If I get a t-shirt out of the deal – bonus

  38. Ann Elizabeth Beringer
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:41 | #38

    @Roused Rabble
    Don’t forget about the free guides on what to do when confronted with police during authorized/unauthorized/ridiculous protests. Fight the fuzz man and KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!

  39. Z.G.
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:42 | #39

    @Scott Blake
    No Flags, no hardhats, no engibeering just a lot of engineers who are pissed about the not allowing outside funding thing which would mean we get to choose either the DSU or design project/PII in fifth year, hmmmmmm member of the union or graduate…tough call.

  40. Anon 2
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:45 | #40

    I’m pretty sure that we’re going to have to establish a critically thinking working group on procedures to figure out how to keep our own issues from being debated and voted on, let’s get all puffed up about who’s in attendance and speak to rules of order rather than debating any policy proposals. By the way, it’s interesting that when nobody shows up people complain that these meetings are undemocratic, and then when they’re stupendously well attended they’re also considered undemocratic. Pssshhhhtttt….

  41. kash
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:45 | #41

    @Z.G.
    hmm?! je ne comprendpas?

  42. Henry whitfield
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:47 | #42

    Ha gotcha there jonesy, but those from NSPIRG showed the same disrespectful and disruptive attitudes that got you into this mess. Can’t wait for april first, let’s get through a meeting then !!

  43. Z.G.
    March 11th, 2009 at 22:49 | #43

    @kash
    See AGM A go go for the questions that were proposed. It’s like about not accepting money from corporations. which = no money for design project if you want to be part of the union…most design projects/pii don’t happen without corporate funding.

  44. Gregory Debogorksi
    March 12th, 2009 at 01:35 | #44

    @Revolutionary Coward
    Council refuses to seriously consider using online democratic means.
    It would have saved everybody time.

  45. Revolutionary Coward
    March 12th, 2009 at 01:41 | #45

    @Gregory Debogorksi

    Yeah I know, damn Luddites. It would have been much faster to stall the meeting while everybody found a computer.

    Wait. No. That’s stupid.

    Way to upset the status quo with radical change by replacing a slow method with an even slower method.

  46. Revolutionary Coward
    March 12th, 2009 at 01:42 | #46

    @Revolutionary Coward

    Oops, I fail. Debo’s dumb, but I’m pretty sure he knows how to spell his own name.

  47. Lady in Waiting
    March 12th, 2009 at 02:22 | #47

    I’ve just had the chance to read this – well done Jen Bond!
    Also I would love to get a tshirt!
    Scott Blake and Swetton I’ve missed you both! Please come back to my life (for our sake here’s a hint “Coat Check” and “You’ve got something on your shirt…”)
    See you all in 3 weeks!

  48. Henry
    March 12th, 2009 at 07:21 | #48

    @ Lady In Waiting: I agree, with all the controversy it seems we’ve missed the fact that while we were all losing out minds in there, Jen did a great job (Even through the GREAT punditry crash of ’09) to keep her composure enough to keep going ;)

    Great job!

  49. Bridget R.
    March 12th, 2009 at 10:12 | #49

    I really enjoyed reading this post – it was much more concise than the recap my roommate tried to give me last night when she got back from the meeting (which I was unable to attend). She was so excited about all of the mayhem that was the DSU AGM that she couldn’t get her thoughts out fast enough, which just led to a description of people getting thrown out by the cops, someone telling a story about a butterfly, and there being another meeting on April 1 (which I will not be able to attend, unfortunately – “Hairspray” is just far too important).
    She, too, was impressed by the chair’s handling of the meeting and his knowledge of the constitution (and his good looks).
    Sounds like it was a good time!

  50. NP
    March 12th, 2009 at 16:03 | #50

    @Gregory Debogorski
    The VP of Finance did not kick you out of the meeting, that is the call of the building manager. You were being disruptive and he had every right to act the way he (building manager) did by asking security to remove you from the venue. As for the Gazette girl, she is not a Dal student (or did not have proof), she is not allowed in the AGM. It’s as simple as that. She wouldn’t leave so Dal security and the police were called.

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